Talk:Dance in ancient Egypt

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WikiProject Ancient Egypt to-do list:

Needed articles.

We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

Dance

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WikiProject Dance To-do list:

To nominate at WP:FAC:
To improve to Featured standard:
To nominate as a Good article:
To expand: 18th century dance - 20th century ballet - Bolero - Choreography on Broadway - Dance education - English ballet - Indian classical dance - Italian ballet - List of dance companies - Meg Stuart - Opera ballet - Sasha Waltz - Scotch reel - Set dance - Physically integrated dance
To cleanup: Contra dance - Salsa (dance) - Dandiya - Lead and follow
To unbias:
To check for copyvios:
To merge: List of dancers and List of dance personalities‎ as per AfD discussion
Substubs needing expansion: see /substubs
To destub: Amir Hossain Babu - Canada Dance Festival - Dance etiquette - Flash dance - more
Needing references: Chorus line - specifically verifying that each girl actually started out as a chorine
To create: Broadway dance - Country Western Dance International - Dance and cinema - Dance and society - German folk dancing - Latin swing - Post-structuralist ballet - Push (dance) - Salon dance - Shuffle dance - Swing boogie - World Dance Alliance - Xavier Le Roy - more
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Irena Lexova[edit]

Who is this person? And is there a reference for her statement in the article? Skingski (talk) 19:10, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved her importance to the subject. Skingski (talk) 00:55, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Funeral dances[edit]

Why does the article refer to the goddess Hathor as "the lady of drunkenness"? She is known by many other names as well. Why is this one singled out? Skingski (talk) 19:18, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Found that this is a fragment from the massive plagiarism in this section from the Dunn reference. Removed. Skingski (talk) 23:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Metwally[edit]

The reference:

Metwally, Yasser . "Dancing in Ancient Egypt ." Dancing in Ancient Egypt<< Usamamohd’s weblog 1-4. Web.5 July 2009. [5]

is a "protected blog" that cannot be publicly accessed. Its veracity and research is not ascertainable. Therefore, it should be removed. Skingski (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved. Skingski (talk) 01:02, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dance types[edit]

Kassing and Lexova classify more dance types than listed, such as Animal and Imitative and Entertainment. An old version did include for instance "Dramatic Dances" section which was deleted on Nov. 1 2012 without a reason given. I propose to specify the major dance types highlighted by these authors.Skingski (talk) 22:47, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Types[edit]

The section "Types" is confusing. It mixes the classification of types of dance by occasion with the types of dance movements - both of which are separately considered in distinct sections later ("Solo, Pair and Group Dances" and "Types of Dancing"). Skingski (talk) 23:12, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lexova considers Pair and Group as dance types. So rearranged sections to reflect that. Skingski (talk) 19:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References/further reading[edit]

The book, The Dance (by An Antiquary) Historic Illustrations of Dancing from 3300 B.C. to 1911 A.D., is removed since the section on Egypt is almost entirely a long direct quotation from the 1847 Wilkinson reference. Skingski (talk) 16:20, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"The Dancing Of Ancient Egypt And Greece." The Dancing Of Ancient Egypt And Greece [1924] 1-8. Web.12 July 2009. [1]

This is an anonymous essay on the internet without any sourcing and it is not apparent it added information to the article. It should be deleted. Skingski (talk) 20:17, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dunn, Jimmy (August 4, 2011). "To Dance in Ancient Egypt". Tour Egypt. Retrieved November 3, 2018.

This reference has some misleading info or typos:

"A group of dance performers known as the hnrt are known to be associated with childbirth ceremonies, but might have also been associated with funerals in helping the deceased enter a new life."

I find no reference to an hnrt in other literature - only the hnr and hnrwt (khener-women with the royal harem in Morris, JARCE 47:72-103, 2011; khener men or women associated with Hathor in Ward, "Essays on Feminine Titles of the Middle Kingdom and Related Subjects," American University of Beirut, Syracuse University Press, pp. 76-7, 1986).

An association of the hnr with childbirth would make sense - one story has an hnr group filled with goddesses involved in midwifing.

Importantly, the hnr are not a group of performers, but a term that refers to most professional dance groups, apparently encompassing muu dancers, irrespective of the occasions they dance for. Therefore, the bit on hnrt is deleted.

"From the very beginning, there were several words for dance, of which the most common was ib3 which might me properly translated as "caper". "

I have not found yet a word "ib3". However there is iba. They used this word for the movements of an ostrich at sunrise and for a human dance.

These examples indicate this reference needs to be cited very carefully. Skingski (talk) 16:16, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

I propose that the article Khener be merged into this page since it is a stub and deals with dancers.Skingski (talk) 02:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. – Kekki1978 talk 15:22, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]